TRAYNOR, C. J. Defendant was charged by information with possession of marijuana for sale (Health & Saf. Code, §11530.5). He appeals from a judgment of conviction of the lesser included offense of possession of marijuana (Health & Saf. Code, § 11530) entered after a trial by a judge without a jury.
At 7:45 on Sunday evening, October 30, 1966, four police officers in an unmarked police car arrived at a vantage point across the street from defendant’s apartment in Huntington Beach. They sent an informant to purchase marijuana from one Mathews,1 who shared the apartment with defendant. At 8 :15 the informant returned with marijuana in a cellophane-type bag and told the officers that defendant gave it to him free of charge. He also told them that the transaction took place in the bedroom and that the marijuana he was given was taken from a brown paper bag that contained more cellophane-type bags of marijuana.
The officers had neither an arrest warrant nor a search warrant, but decided to arrest defendant on the basis of the [55]informant’s report. Because the front door was a large sliding glass door, they ruled out forcible entry as dangerous to person and property. When they could not find the apartment house manager to get a key to the door, they called the police department for an officer to pick the lock. An officer equipped to do so arrived at 8 :30.
The officers knocked on the door several times, announced their identity, and demanded entry. There was no response. They then picked the lock, and at 8 :40 entered the apartment with their guns drawn. They found no one in the apartment after a cursory search of the living room, the bedroom, and the bathroom. An open window with its screen removed indicated that the occupants had fled. One officer detected a sweet odor similar to that of the marijuana defendant had given the informant. In other narcotics investigations the officer had smelled similar odors from marijuana that had been soaked in wine. The odor came from an open cardboard box on the floor inside an open bedroom closet. In the box the officers found a closed brown paper bag, which, when opened, was found to contain 21 plastic bags of wine-soaked, sweet-smelling marijuana.
The officers then made a thorough search of the apartment until approximately 9 :30 p.m., but found no other contraband. They remained in the apartment to await the occupants’ return. They arrested Mathews upon his return shortly before 11 p.m. and arrested defendant upon his return about 1:30 a.m.
Defendant contends that the trial court committed prejudicial error in admitting the cache of marijuana into evidence over his objection that it was illegally obtained. He urges that the officers did not have reasonable grounds to believe that he was present in the apartment when they entered it and that since their entry was therefore illegal, the evidence was necessarily obtained, illegally. (People v. Gastelo (1967) 67 Cal.2d 586 [63 Cal.Rptr. 10, 432 P.2d 706].)
Penal Code section 844 provides that “To make an arrest . . ¡ a peace officer, may break open the door or window of the house in which the person to be arrested is, or in which [the officer has] reasonable grounds for believing him to be, after having demanded admittance and explained the purpose for which admittance is desired.” By persistently knocking, demanding entry, and identifying themselves for several minutes before picking the lock and entering, the officers substantially complied with the notice requirements of [56]the statute. (See People v. Rosales (1968) 68 Cal.2d 299, 302 [66 Cal.Rptr. 1, 437 P.2d 489]; People v. Limon (1967) 255 Cal.App.2d 519, 522 [63 Cal.Rptr. 91].) Moreover. substantial evidence supports the trial court’s finding that the officers reasonably believed that defendant was in the apartment. It is true that after the informant returned and before the officers entered they did not constantly watch the apartment; that the informant had told them that defendant was planning to leave to attend a party; and that the apartment was dark and quiet. There was testimony, however, that the apartment entrance was visible from the squad car, and that one or more officers were always in the car before the entry. The informant did not tell the officers when defendant was planning to leave, and they saw no one leave the apartment, which was dark when the officers first arrived at the apartment as well as when they entered it. The officers believed that defendant was hiding inside, and the trial court could properly find that their belief was reasonable under the circumstances. Their entry therefore complied with section 844.
The burden remains on the prosecution, however, to justify a seizure of evidence without a warrant. (People v. Burke (1964) 61 Cal.2d 575, 578 [39 Cal.Rptr. 531, 394 P.2d 67]; Stoner v. California (1964) 376 U.S. 483, 486 [11 L.Ed. 2d 856, 858, 84 S.Ct. 889].) The Attorney General contends that although in fact no one was in the apartment, the officers could constitutionally seize the cache of marijuana in the course of a search of the apartment for the persons they reasonably believed to be therein.
During a lawful search of premises for persons believed to be in hiding, police officers may seize contraband evidence “in plain sight” (People v. Roberts (1956) 47 Cal. 2d 374, 379 [303 P.2d 721]; People v. Gilbert (1965) 63 Cal. 2d 690, 707 [47 Cal.Rptr. 909, 408 P.2d 365] [reversed on other grounds].) Under such circumstances there is, in fact, no search for evidence. (See Ker v. California (1963) 374 U.S. 23, 43 [10 L.Ed.2d 726, 743, 83 S.Ct. 1623]; United States v. Rabinowitz (1950) 339 U.S. 56, 75 [94 L.Ed. 653, 665, 70 S.Ct. 430] (dissenting opinion of Justice Frankfurter).)
In the present case the marijuana was not in plain sight. It was in cellophane-type bags that were in a closed brown paper bag that was in an open box in an open closet. The Attorney General contends that by virtue of the odor and the’ informant’s report that the marijuana he was given came [57]from a brown paper bag, the officer had reason to believe that the brown paper bag contained marijuana. He concludes that the marijuana should therefore be deemed to have been in plain view of the officer.
This contention overlooks the difference between probable cause to believe contraband will be found, which justifies the issuance of a search warrant, and observation of contraband in plain sight, which justifies seizure without a warrant. However strongly convinced officers may be that a search will reveal contraband, their belief, whether based on the sense of smell or other sources, does not justify a search without a warrant.-" ‘The point of the Fourth Amendment, which often is not grasped by zealous officers, is not that it denies law enforcement the support of the usual inferences which reasonable men draw from evidence. Its protection consists in requiring that those inferences be drawn by a neutral and detached magistrate instead of being judged by the officer engaged in the often competitive enterprise of ferreting out crime[2]. Any assumption that evidence sufficient to support a magistrate’s disinterested determination to issue a search warrant will justify the officers in making a search without a warrant would reduce the Amendment to a nullity and leave the people’s homes secure only in the discretion of police officers. ’ ” (Chapman v. United States (1961) 365 U.S. 610, 614-615 [5 L.Ed.2d 828, 832-833, 81 S.Ct. 776], quoting from Johnson v. United States (1948) 333 U.S. 10, 13-14 [92 L.Ed. 436, 439-440, 68 S.Ct. 367]; see Jones v. United States (1958) 357 U.S. 493, 497 [2 L.Ed.2d 1514, 1518, 78 S.Ct. 1253]; United States v. Mullin (4th Cir. 1964) 329 F.2d 295, 297.)
When officers seek to justify a seizure without a war[58]rant on the ground that no search was involved, the objects so seized must have been " in the plain view of an officer who has a right to be in the position to have that view ...” (Harris v. United States (1968) 390 U.S. 234, 236 [19 L.Ed.2d 1067, 1069, 88 S.Ct. 992, 993]), and must have been “fully disclosed and open to the eye and hand.” (State v. Quinn (1918) 111 S.C. 174, 180 [97 S.E. 62, 64, 3 A.L.R. 1500]; see also Davis v. United States (9th Cir. 1964) 327 F.2d 301, 305; United States v. Barone (2d Cir. 1964) 330 F.2d 543, 544; Hiet v. United States (D.C. Cir. 1967) 372 F.2d 911, 912; People v. Kampmann (1968) 258 Cal.App.2d 529, 531 [65 Cal.Rptr. 798]: People v. Lees (1967) 257 Cal.App.2d 363, 368 [64 Cal.Rptr. 888]; People v. Allison (1967) 249 Cal.App.2d 653, 656 [57 Cal.Rptr. 635]; People v. Mandola (1967) 249 Cal.App.2d 599, 604 [57 Cal.Rptr. 737]; People v. Jolke (1966) 242 Cal.App.2d 132, 148 [51 Cal.Rptr. 171]; People v. Davis (1961) 188 Cal.App.2d718, 723 [10 Cal.Rptr. 610].)
A plain view of simply suspicious looking or unusual objects does not justify their seizure without a warrant. Thus in California v. Hurst (9th Cir. 1963) 325 F.2d 891, 898-899 (reversed on other grounds (1965) 381 U.S. 760 [14 L.Ed.2d 713, 85, S.Ct. 1796]), the court held a seizure illegal, stating: “All that was in plain view was a large brown package about six inches inside the exposed vent hole. Upon reaching into the vent hole and removing the package [the officer] observed that the package consisted of two brown paper bags which covered two plastic bags which, in turn, covered a pillowcase. The officer then felt the pillowcase and noted the weedy, leafy feel of the contents. There can be no claim that the feeling of the pillowcase occurred in a “plain view” observation since the pillowcase itself was surrounded by four outer wrappings, all of which were rolled into a cylindrical shape. But only upon feeling the contents of the pillowcase did officer Hanks shout that he had ‘found the stuff.’ ” (Italics in original.) In United States v. Vallos (D. Wyo. 1926) 17 F.2d 390, the court found that officers illegally conducted a search when they saw suspicious looking lumps under a small rug, removed the rug, and discovered packages done up in burlap in the way contraband liquor was commonly wrapped. Although one of the packages was open, no liquor was visible until the officers took hold of the package and a bottle dropped out.
In the present case the brown paper bag itself was not contraband. Only by prying into its hidden interior (see Bie[59]licki v. Superior Court (1962) 57 Cal .2d 602, 605 [21 Cal. Rptr. 552, 371 P.2d 288]) could the officer be sure that he was seizing contraband and nothing more. The fact that the container was only a brown paper bag instead of a packing box, purse, handbag, briefcase, hatbox, snuffbox, trunk, desk, or chest of drawers (see People v. Roberts, supra, 47 Cal.2d 374, 378-379) is immaterial. It is inherently impossible for the contents of a closed opaque container to be in plain view regardless of the size of the container or the material it is made of. A search of the container is necessary to disclose its contents. A search demands a search warrant.
Of course officers may rely on their sense of smell to confirm their observation of already visible contraband. (See People v. Foote (1962) 207 Cal.App.2d 860, 865 [24 Cal.Rptr. 752]; People v. Chong Wing Louie (1957) 149 Cal.App.2d 167, 170 [307 P.2d 929]; People v. Bennett (1967) 28 App. Div.2d 526 [280 N.Y.S.2d 258, 259].) To hold, however, that an odor, either alone or with other evidence of invisible contents can be deemed the same as or corollary to plain view, would open the door to snooping and rummaging through personal effects. Even a most acute sense of smell might mislead officers into fruitless invasions of privacy where no contraband is found.
Moreover, however keen their sense of smell, officers cannot seize the thing they smell until they find it after looking for and through the places from which the odor emanates. In short, they must still conduct a search. They may not do so without a warrant any more than without a warrant they may set loose a dog of unerring talent to sniff out contraband they reasonably believe will be found merely because they have lawfully entered the premises for another purpose. “In plain smell,’’ therefore, is plainly not the equivalent of “in plain view. ’ ’
Moreover, even had the marijuana been discovered in plain view, the record fails to show that it was discovered in the course of a search of the apartment for suspects in hiding rather than in the course of a general search for evidence. “Assuming that the warrantless entry into the apartment was justified by the need immediately to search for the suspect, the issue remains whether the subsequent search was reasonably supported by those same exigent circumstances. If the envelope were come upon in the course of a search for the suspect, the answer might be different from that where it is come upon, even though in plain view, in the course of a [60]general, indiscriminate search of closets, dressers, etc., after it is known that the occupant is absent.” (Gilbert v. California (1967) 388 U.S. 263, 274-275 [18 L.Ed.2d 1178, 1187-1188, 87 S.Ct. 1951] (Appendix to majority opinion).) There was testimony that the officer identified the closet as the source of the odor when he entered the bedroom searching it for suspects. The testimony specifically directed to this issue, however, consists solely of the following colloquy between the prosecuting attorney and the officer who made the seizure:
“Q: Were you satisfied, Officer Epstein, that there was nobody in that bedroom before you found the sack containing marijuana ?
“A: Yes.
“Q: It was after you were satisfied there was nobody there that you found the sack ?
“A: Yes.” We must conclude, therefore, that the prosecution failed to meet its burden of proving that the seizure was lawfully made in the course of a search for suspects. Indeed, the prosecution requested no finding of fact on this issue, and at the trial argued that the seizure was legal on the sole ground that it was incident to the subsequent arrest. (See People v. Sesslin (1968) 68 Cal.2d 418, 428 [67 Cal.Rptr. 409, 439 P.2d 321]; Giordenello v. United States (1958) 357 U.S. 480, 488 [2 L.Ed.2d 1503,1510, 78 S.Ct. 1245].)
The seizure cannot be upheld upon that ground, however. A search is not incident to an arrest when it is conducted at a place remote from the arrest (see Stoner v. California, supra, 376 U.S. 483, 486 [11 L.Ed.2d 856, 858]: People v. King (1963) 60 Cal.2d 308 [32 Cal.Rptr. 825, 384 P.2d 153]; People v. Henry (1967) 65 Cal.2d 842, 845 [56 Cal. Rptr. 485, 423 P.2d 557]; Hood v. Superior Court (1963) 220 Cal.App.2d 242, 247 [33 Cal.Rptr. 782]; People v. Garcia (1964) 227 Cal.App.2d 345 [38 Cal.Rptr. 670]; People v. Cruz (1964) 61 Cal.2d 861, 866 [40 Cal.Rptr. 841, 395 P.2d 889]; People v. Shelton (1964) 60 Cal.2d 740, 744 [36 Cal. Rptr. 433, 388 P.2d 665]). To be valid the search must also be “contemporaneous” or “substantially contemporaneous” with the arrest. (See People v. Cockrell (1965) 63 Cal.2d 659, 666 [47 Cal.Rptr. 788, 408 P.2d 116]; Agnello v. United States (1925) 269 U.S. 20, 30 [70 L.Ed. 145, 148, 46 S.Ct. 4, 51 A.L.R. 409]: United States v. Rabinowitz, supra, 339 U.S. 56, 61 [94 L.Ed. 653, 657]; Stoner v. California, supra, 376 U.S. 483, 486-487 [11 L.Ed.2d 856, 858-859]; Pres[61]ton v. United States (1964) 376 U.S. 364, 367 [11 L.Ed.2d 777, 780. 84 S.Ct. 881].)
A search that is substantially contemporaneous with arrest may precede the arrest, so long as there is probable cause to arrest at the outset of the search (see People v. Cockrell, supra, 63 Cal.2d 659, 667; Willson v. Superior Court (1956) 46 Cal.2d 291, 294 [294 P.2d 36]; Holt v. Simpson (7th Cir. 1965) 340 F.2d 853, 856; People v. Griffin (1967) 250 Cal.App.2d 545, 552 [58 Cal.Rptr. 707]; People v. Torres (1961) 56 Cal.2d 864 [17 Cal.Rptr. 495, 366 P.2d 823]; People v. Simon (1955) 45 Cal.2d 645, 648 [290 P.2d 531]). No such justification exists in this case, however, for defendant was neither present nor arrested until several hours after the search. (See People v. Egan (1967) 250 Cal.App.2d 433 [58 Cal.Rptr. 627]; People v. Garrison (1961) 189 Cal.App.2d 549 [11 Cal.Rptr. 398].)3
We do not suggest that the officers in this ease were motivated by a reckless disregard for the rights of persons. They discussed the possibility of obtaining a warrant, but rejected it as impracticable on a Sunday night. ‘ ‘ [I] neonvenienee to the officers and some slight delay necessary to prepare papers and present the evidence to a magistrate . . . [however] are never very convincing reasons ... to by-pass the constitutional requirement.” (Johnson v. United States, supra, 333 U.S. 10, 15, [92 L.Ed. 436, 441].) Having ascertained that no one was in the apartment, the officers could not legally search it without a warrant. “There was no question of violence, no movable vehicle was involved, nor was there an arrest or imminent destruction, removal, or concealment of the property intended to be seized.” (United States v. Jeffers (1951) 342 U.S. 48, 52 [96 L.Ed. 59, 64, 72 S.Ct. 93].) “They made no move to obtain a warrant of arrest or of search, although time permitted it.” (People v. Egan, supra, 250 Cal.App.2d at p. 437.) “ [T]here was no probability of material change in the situation during the time necessary to secure such warrant. Moreover, a short period of watching would have prevented any such possibility.” (Taylor v. United States (1932) 286 U.S. 1, 6 [76 L.Ed. 951, 953, 52 S.Ct. 466].)
[62]We conclude that the cache of marijuana found in defendant’s apartment was unconstitutionally seized and was erroneously admitted into evidence over defendant’s objection. Without that evidence, defendant clearly could not have been convicted of the charge of possession for sale. Moreover, the other evidence in the ease was not sufficient, in itself, to support the conviction of the lesser offense of possession from which defendant appeals. That evidence consisted solely of a small quantity of marijuana allegedly obtained from the defendant by an informant whose reliability was not established, whose movements the officers admittedly could not observe without interruption, and whose information was corroborated only by illegally obtained evidence. It is clear, therefore, that the error contributed to the conviction. (See Chapman v. California (1967) 386 U.S. 18, 21-24 [17 L.Ed.2d 705, 708-710, 87 S.Ct. 824]; People v. Watson (1956) 46 Cal. 2d 818, 835-837 [299 P.2d 243]; People v. Parham (1963) 60 Cal.2d 378, 385 [33 Cal.Rptr. 497, 384 P.2d 1001].)
The judgment is reversed.
Peters, J., Tobriner, J., and Sullivan, J., concurred.
Mathews, a codefendant at the trial, was also convicted of possession of marijuana, but has not appealed.
2It is this point that is also not grasped by the dissenting opinion herein. That opinion completely ignores the rule that in the absence of some “grave emergency” (McDonald v. United States (1948) 335 U.S. 451, 455 [93 L.Ed. 153, 158, 69 S.Ct. 191]) a search of a dwelling cannot be conducted without a warrant except as incident to a lawful arrest therein. (Chapman v. United States (1961) 365 U.S. 610, 613 [5 L.Ed.2d 828, 831, 81 S.Ct. 776].) Of course there is no dispute with the many eases cited in the dissenting opinion that an officer may rely upon all of his senses in determining whether there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed or that contraband may be present. Probable cause alone, however, cannot justify a search without a warrant. “ ‘Belief, however well founded, that an article sought is concealed in a dwelling house furnishes no justification for a search of that place without a warrant. And such searches are . . . unlawful notwithstanding facts unquestionably showing probable cause. ’ ’ ’ (Chapman v. United States, supra, quoting Agnello v. United States (1925) 269 U.S. 20, 33 [70 L.Ed. 145, 149, 46 S.Ct. 4, 51 A.L.R, 409].)
To the extent that People v. Luna (1957) 155 Cal.App.2d 493 [318 P.2d 116]; People v. Williams (1961) 189 Cal.App.2d 29 [11 Cal.Rptr. 43]; People v. Vice (1956) 147 Cal.App.2d 269 [305 P.2d 270], and People v. Dominguez (1956) 144 Cal.App.2d 63 [300 P.2d 194], are contrary to our conclusions herein, they are disapproved.